> From: "Richard Brodie" <richard@brodietech.com>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Subject: RE: virus: kurzweil cuts the mustard
> Date sent: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:06:07 -0800
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> > That is, of course, the point. It all requires faith, and to the faithful,
> > his faith always seems justified while others' seem ridiculous.
> >
Your point seems to be that knowledge of anything is impossible.
But if knowledge is indeed impossible, how could you know this fact?
> > Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/
> > Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme"
> > http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> > Of Joe E. Dees
> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 1:41 PM
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: RE: virus: kurzweil cuts the mustard
> >
> >
> > From: "Richard Brodie" <richard@brodietech.com>
> > To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> > Subject: RE: virus: kurzweil cuts the mustard
> > Date sent: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:38 -0800
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> >
> > > Studies have shown resoundingly that memory is quite inaccurate. See
> > > Dennett's excellent book "Consciousness Explained." Why have faith in your
> > > memory?
> > >
> >
> > So why have faith in perception (there are illusions), conception
> > (there are delusions) or logic (there are flawed premises and the
> > possibility of undetected fallacies)? This reminds me of the Lone
> > Ranger and Tonto wandering in the woods. The Lone Ranger turns
> > to Tonto and says "Well, I guess we're lost, Tonto." "We not lost,
> > Kemosabe," Tonto replied, "we here. Trail lost." Sounds like
> > someone's been overdosing on Jean Baudrillard to me. Joe
> > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316180661/memecentral
> > >
> > > Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/
> > > Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme"
> > > http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
> > > Free newsletter! Visit Meme Central at
> > > http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> > > Of MemeLab@aol.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 12:39 PM
> > > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > > Subject: Re: virus: kurzweil cuts the mustard
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/31/98 1:56:30 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > robin@faichney.demon.co.uk writes:
> > >
> > > << >Consciousness, whatever it is, is something that evolves in a
> > particular
> > > >informational processing system, namely our brains.
> > >
> > > What evidence do you have for the proposition that
> > > consciousness "evolves" in our brains?
> > > --
> > > Robin >>
> > >
> > > You casually toss out the accusation of "blind faith". Yet we each know
> > > from
> > > our own memories our own experiences of our own personal consciousness.
> > > This
> > > doesn't strike me as "blind faith", and to the extent that we all share
> > > common
> > > experiences about our first memories of consciousness - I don't know
> > anyone
> > > that can remember their own birth, but many carry memories of childhood,
> > and
> > > consciousness, whatever it is, cannot exist without some memory of who you
> > > are
> > > - these cannot be dismissed as merely anecdotal. Your accusation of
> > "blind
> > > faith", doesn't hold water here. Sounds like just a roundabout insult
> > > (might
> > > as well declare them "irrational" and be done with it) to those that would
> > > actually hold any position on these matters.
> > >
> > > -Jake P.
> > >
> >
> >
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