Re: Hello

David McFadzean (
Fri, 18 Aug 95 13:09:00 CDT

At 11:35 AM 8/18/95 CDT, you wrote:

>>I will gladly show you the evidence if you tell me what kind of evidence
>>would convince you.
>Well documented unbaised information, from a well educated scientist. I
>would like to see fact. I would like to see evidence of it being applied
>today. I would like to meet the man who lived four-billion years to tell me

I would recommend going to your local university bookstore or library
and pick up a good text on geology and/or paleontology. There you will
find ample evidence that single celled organisms developed on earth
around 3 billion years ago, there was a "Cambrian explosion" of multi-
cellular life 1 billion years ago, dinosaurs ruled the earth between
200 million to 65 million years ago. The evidence is just in radioactive
dating but is corroborated by what we know about plate tectonics,
the rate of evolutionary change, and geological formations. Of course
you can say that God created it all to look that old just to test our
faith, and I have no argument against that, not because it is true,
but because the statement isn't open to verification, falsification
or criticism.

>If a person can say that my scientists don't count, then I could just as
>easily say that theirs don't count. So please don't use the reference to the

How about if I only count scientists that are published in peer-reviewed
journals, independent of their respective religious beliefs?

>Christians. Often they change the evidence to fit their needs. Yes,
>creationists use this tactic also at times, but with the same ,or I find at
>times, even less biased view than evolutionists do. The main point of
>creation science is not to prove capital 'G' God, but to prove evolution
>false, and to get scientists to rethink their methods... Enough, I will
>finish my response below.

Don't you realize that even if evolution turns out to be totally wrong
that doesn't verify Creationism in the least?

>>Do you know how much water it would take to flood the whole world?
>A lot. (Gen 1:6).

More water than exists in our solar system.

>>Do you believe in the story of the ark?
>Yes. If I didn't then why should I believe anything the Bible says?

Do you believe the story where God sent bears to kill a group of
children that were mocking His prophet?

>>Do you believe Noah took a male and female of every insect species in the
>world on his boat?
>I believe he took whatever God sent to Noah.
>>If so, the weight of the insects alone would be more than the boat.
>So. Cement boats float... Inflatable rafts weigh 10lbs. yet I can float
>500lbs across a pond or down a river in it...
>What is the point?

The point is there is not enough volume in the ark to hold 2 of
every species. And it is also obvious that the story was made up
before people know of the dangers of inbreeding.

>>Do you believe stars exist?
>Yes. They are in the Bible too...
>>How far away do you think they are?
>Really far... It doesn't matter, it isn't relevant or contradictory to my

It is relevant because if the stars are actually billions of light
years away then the universe is billions of years old. If you don't
think that is relevant then your faith is clouding your judgement.

>>Less than 4500 light years? Or do you think light travels at
>>different speeds depending on God's whim or do you think the stars
>>aren't actually there and God shot the light at Earth from 4000
>>light years away to make it look like there are stars out there?
>As above. I don't think God is worried about shooting beams of light at the
>earth. God put the stars into existance, it is found in the Bible. You will
>also find that God made the light before the stars. God was not 4000 light
>years away from the earth when He did all of this. Genises states that he
>was hovering over the surface of the deep. True empiracle science in no way
>contradicts the Bible, if that is what you are trying to get at. I don't
>have the answers for everything and will not pretend to. By the same token,
>no one except for God has the answers to everything, whether He exists or

It is obvious that you define true empirical science as whatever science
does not contradict the bible. That leaves out geology, astronomy,
physics, paleontology, chemistry and biology.