Re: virus: Power

John Porter (
Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:35:17 -0400

Ken Pantheists wrote:
> John Porter wrote:
> > There is a meme

[ Let us call it Meme X ]

> > that presumes that memes can be categorized into
> > two classes: those memes that allow the validity of memetics, and
> > those that do not...
> I don't know if they are two classes of memes- I think they are two
> modes of employment. Memetics, after all, is always memetics.

What I hear you saying is that your memetic programming does not include
Meme X. This does *not* mean that it is not a meme at all.

> The meme that does not allow for the validity of memetics is not a true
> meme-- it is simply ignorance of the subtleties of memetics.

Perhaps, according to true scientific memetics. But this does not mean
that there can exist no memes that assert otherwise.

> John said in his last post that there's a presumption that are two
> memes; one gives validity to memetics and one doesn't.

No, I didn't. I said that there is a (hypothetical) meme, Meme X, that
says there are two such classes memes. I made no motion as to whether
I hold that meme or not. Did I?

But --- having said all that, I should mention that my original statement
was supposed to be humorous, a reference to Russell's "Classes of Theorems"

John Porter