> All I meant was that there are some reliable, repeatable, and clinical
> studies of hallucinations. (And a few of 'religious' experiences, i.e.
> trance and meditative states.)
One of those studies on hallucinations was in Scientific American.  The 
similarities to the descriptions of Eastern religious experiences are 
striking.  I can say, between the article and my research into 'mystical 
Christian experience', that the article's sequence of events has very 
little similarity to the latter.
I would be very interested in recent studies about religious experiences in 
Western religions [Christianity, Judaism, Islam].  The ones based on 
Eastern religions are fairly common.  While meditative states 
> 'Fire in the Brain' comes to mind, pretty recent too, I think.
> 
> All this assumes, as I do, (based on the evidence...), that there is
> nothing to be dealing with in religious experiences other than
> hallucinations.
There should be, a priori [posteriori?], two classifications for 
hallucinations.
     1) Physical sensory perception with no basis in any kind of reality.  
[Physical reality is definitely the most susceptible to verifiability and 
the tools of science.]
     2) Sensory perception with a definite origin in some kind of 
reality, but which has been mislabeled so that it consciously appears 
like physical reality.
If the type 2 definition is altered so that the perceptions are 
'correctly labeled' [at any rate, they are no longer marked as 'physical 
reality'], we get a reasonable description of religious/spiritual 
perceptions.  I haven't read up on this in detail, but I believe:
     1) There is conclusive evidence that religious/spiritual perceptions 
are similar to hallucinations [I assumed this in the above classification]
     2) If type 2 actually is sometimes instantiated [I haven't seen 
serious research into this question!  All of the research seems to be 
unaware of type 2 as a formal possibility, and I haven't seen where this 
question is dealt with.], we have a possibility that some 
religious/spiritual perception could have the same domain as type 2, but 
is labeled as nonphysical.  [This is NOT saying it's labeled CORRECTLY!]
I have very good grounds for believing that the antipsychotics are just 
as good at disabling religious/spiritual perceptions as disabling some 
kinds of clinical hallucinations.  Considering: 1) their chemical 
relatives; 2) they are 'dumbing drugs' for the unafflicted; and 3) their 
long-term side effects, it is possible that the net effect is like 
medieval "leeching".  I would be more favorably inclined if they were 
functionally 'smart drugs' in the unafflicted.
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