RE: virus: MEME UPDATE: To Censor Or Not?

Dave Pape (
Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:19:04 GMT

At 00:48 16/12/96 -0600, zaimoni (I'm sure I'll work out whether that's your
full name, surname, or what, soon, but for now, excuse me) wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Dave Pape wrote:
>[Responding to Brodie]
>> But does "conscious" = "free"? More to the point, does "thinking driven by
>> others' memes" necessarily mean "not conscious"? I don't think so. Remember,
>> the freedom~consciousness equations were derived by theists. I don't want to
>> take their word for it.
>1) Certainly subconscious action removes the chance of overt control. If
>you want to impose overt control [the reality/illusion of freewill, take
>your pick], you will be ahead promoting consciousness.

Well yes... but my point is that consciousness isn't the same as freedom of
choice. It seems to be a way to sidestep the influence of many memes, but
being memetic in its make-up, it can't control them ALL, because it doesn't
control itSELF, sorta thing. Hmm.

>2) I would phrase it as the freedom-consciousness inequalities.

Ah! Why? Are we talking Venn diagram overlaps here? Sorry, you're talking to
someone who's only been FORGETTING maths for the last 10 years I'm afraid.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose (The more things change, the more
it's a meme thing)

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