RE: virus: C of V: Another Religion
Sun, 2 Feb 1997 11:03:04 -0600 (CST)

On Sat, 1 Feb 1997, Tim Rhodes wrote:

> On 1 Feb 1997, David Rosdeitcher wrote:
> > This situation, in which a word is coined and defined, and then
> > people see things they didn't notice before, can imply that the act of
> > creating and defining words leads to creating and defining reality. This
> > would make reality seem like a very subjective phenomena.
> Oh, yes, you are so very, very close to getting it!!!
> > Furthermore,
> > this new term in question-the meme-happens to be a unit that influences
> > notions about reality and has no regard for objective reality.
> > Consequently, many people in the growing memetics community have
> > embraced a school of thought which holds the idea that one's view of
> > "external reality" is merely a result of one's language and that reality
> > is a subjective experience.
> Yourself included. And yet you have resolved the problem with such style
> and subtly I am left breathless. As follows:
> > Consciousness
> > does not simply perceive a subjective definition of existence, but
> > existence itself, (even though each person has a different point of
> > view, has limited knowledge, different sense organs, biases, etc -a
> > different experience, they are still perceiving existence directly.)
> This is beautiful! Objective reallity is defined /AS/ Subjective reality.
> Marvelous!!! Undercut the whole question and cut to the chase. Now, is
> objective reallity, therefore, as flexible as subjective reallity?
> - Prof. Tim

The entire question is more intricate than the above suggests. Here's
my current model:

1) "Subjective reality" <> "Objective reality".
2) "Subjective reality" is "what I have direct experience of". This
isn't exactly reliable; for instance, the visual aspect assumes that the
hardware isn't trying to quit while I'm awake. [For instance, watching
one's visual parsing momentarily crash while taking notes to capture
*everything* on the blackboard, in real time, gets interesting. Sheer
3) "Objective reality" is "what runs subjective reality." Much effort
has gone into subjectively understanding and manipulating objective reality.

/ Towards the conversion of data into information....
/ Kenneth Boyd