Re: virus: Open Mind and Emotions

Martz (
Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:16:21 +0000

On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Tadeusz Niwinski <> wrote:

>A serious question. What is a difference between saying that Memes control
>us or that Spirits control us? (I mean the angel-devil spirits, not fine
>cognac spirits).

Heh. Mind you, the demon alcohol can be quite the controller as well.

>They are both immaterial, some people claim their minds
>are visited by God/Angels/Devils, some people claim their minds host Level-3
>memes. In both cases there is nothing observable except what the possessed
>person says and does. Lech Walesa (a Nobel prize recipient) used to talk to
>God every morning and he had pretty good insights and excellent results too
>(he is said to be a Level-3 person, just like Einstein, John Gray, and a few
>people from Seattle).
>Can anybody point out any differences between a concept of being controlled
>by Memes or Spirits?

Good question. I suppose it depends on how you view these spirits. I
would see memes as being internal, part of me. Spirits, in the sense you
seem to be using the term, I would consider to be more of an external
influence. I agree that to the observer there's little or nothing to
mark the difference.


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