RE: virus: Strange attractors and meta-religions (was God and
Wright, James  7929 (Jwright@phelpsd.com)
Mon, 07 Apr 97 09:36:00 EDT
Mark Hornberger wrote:
>>mosquitoes. Those already infected would not be suitable subjects; it   
was
>>HEALTHY volunteers he asked for, and received.<<
>I guess you have me there.  But I'm quite the cynic, so even then I   
would
>question the validity of their altruism. <
OK, they might have decided,"It'll get me now or it'll get me later, so I   
might as well go down fighting!"
> We all have a particular worldview, and a set of principles which we   
like to think >we live by. <
Many people have the first: I have met a few who had none of the second.
> I think people do what they want, even if it is self-sacrificing, to   
validate
>what they believe, in a sense, to make themselves feel better.  Witness   
how
>many people will obsess that they 'could've done *something*' after a
>crisis or whatnot, then go on later to find a niche in which they can   
help
>others.  This is a vague example, but I think you understand.  Charity
>workers, or those who work with the disabled, do so from a personal need   
to
>feel that they are doing some good.  The end result is that others are
>helped (we hope lol) but I don't think that was how the process started
>out.  Perhaps my reasoning is insignificant in that this activity would
>still be called altruistic, regardless of how the impulse started in the
>person's heart, but I've always felt people have their reasons for doing
>everything.  That isn't bad per se, just (to me) a realistic   
observation.<
Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" may have long fingers! This seems a   
reasonable point of view, although I would contend altruism can be more   
prevalent than you would imagine.
I gave someone a "jump-start" yesterday for their discharged truck   
battery. No money changed hands, I don't know their name; I might call it   
altruism, you might call it disaffected self-interest; labels are less   
important to me than the fact that it happens, hopefully more frequently   
than you might imagine.
By the way, there is a practice in Buddhism that promotes such deeds,   
done in total (if possible) ignorance of whom you are doing them for, and   
needing also the total obliteration from your own memory (if possible),   
to fulfill the requirement of not being "attached" to such a deed. By   
publicizing it here, I have removed my deed from consideration in such a   
class, but then perhaps I am moving beyond the need for attachment to   
altruism! (VBG!)
>Ah, toasters are hard-wired, but I can supply you with examples of   
faulty
>toasters.  There will always be anomalies, but I think the impulse to   
care
>for our young is definitely hard-wired in, and not a learned behavior   
per
>se.  The species wouldn't have persisted otherwise, methinks.<
Then the percentage of faulty wiring in the population is on the rise (or   
maybe just better-publicized?) Consider S. Smith of S. Carolina, who   
drowned her own children to win the affections of a man not their father   
(allegedly); those who sell  their children into slavery or factory-work   
at a young age; and those admittedly few who abuse their own children for   
their pleasure.
I would still contend that "care for your young" is a socialized   
behavior, a meme that would not be prevalent were it not explicitly   
necessary for societal and civilizational survival. Individuals would   
survive and prosper whether or not they took care of their young; the   
young, society and civilization would only survive if they were taken   
care of. Please explain how you understand that this is hard-wired, I do   
not so far agree.
Thanks again for another well-written post!
james
take care
Mark