Re: virus: Authority of Church of Virus

David McFadzean (
Wed, 28 May 1997 15:00:07 -0600

At 01:50 PM 28/05/97 -0500, Eric Boyd wrote:

>I've been avoiding this debate just to see where it goes, but I think
>I'll step in now... I beleive that we can only have /faith/ in
>rationality. As I see it, rationality /can not/ be used to defend
>itself. Ie. you cannot give reasons to become rational because that
>begs the question... If you are going to be convinced by the reasons
>given to be rational, you must already accept that reason works. So we
>must have faith: we must beleive in reason. And I see no way around

That's because you're stuck in a justificationist viewpoint. To escape,
read Max More's "Pancritical Rationalism: An Extropic Metacontext for
Memetic Progress" at

>The CoV is founded on the principles and insights of memetics. The
>entire idea is to use memetic's to engineer an "everlasting" religion...
>one that evolves towards a system that more and more people think is
>well and good. (Ie. that evolves to infect more and more people)... it
>almost sounds evil, eh? Guess that is why it is hosted on

The purpose isn't only to infect a bunch of people. That's just a side-effect
of being successful. And Lucifer is the "bringer-of-light".

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Church of Virus