RE: virus: Genes vs. Memes: The War Heats Up

John ''!Boolean'' Williams (
Thu, 05 Jun 1997 23:26:18 -0400

At 06:59 PM 6/5/97 -0700, Grant wrote:

>One more time, lets lay out my position:
>Genes are neither good nor bad.
>Memes are neither good nor bad.

I have a minor quibble here, but for the moment I'll hold off...

>Both can be used to produce good or bad results.
>Memes have to capacity of helping us turn genetic behavior
>that is counterproductive to behavior that is productive.
>One line of genetic behavior that has been going on since
>millions of years before apes walked the earth causes us to
>destroy each other when food becomes scarce. Even dogs
>will try to keep other dogs in the same household from
>eating unless taught not to. I've seen them do it.
>All animals that I know of will decimate their environment
>by over producing and eating everything in sight until it
>kills the entire group, unless there is someplace they can
>go to find a new source of food. At the presen time, humans
>as a species is following this line of behavior.
>I think memes can be used to change that behavior.
>That is my position.

Hmm. That clears things up a bit, but brings up a new question:

What is the difference between your viewpoint and the rest of ours? Perhaps
I've missed something? What started this conversation? Because darned if
this doesn't sound like what *my* position has been (mostly) and Robin's
position has been (mostly). Anyone? Have I simply been misreading the whole
argument? And if so, why is there even an argument?

-- John "Wha? Where? Huh?" Williams

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