Re: virus: Heaven's Gate Kooks

Dave Pape (
Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:22:43 +0100 (BST)

At 16:25 06/06/97 -0400, wrote:
>At 12:16 AM 6/6/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>All this talk is reminding me of a movie I saw a few years ago... Brave
> I saw it. I loved it, it rocks! My favorite scene is where the moon the
>english army before the battle. It was the Million Man Moon. ;->
>> My little sister hated the
>>movie becuase "the main guy dies! That makes movies stupid!"
> She'll understand in time. How old is she?
>> But I see
>>it as just the reverse. Convictions recieve their ultimate test at the
>>brink of death. If you're not willing to die for what you think is
>>true, why beleive?
> Exactly!
>>I don't really see how convictions enable you to "do" something you
>>couldn't before. They do allow you to /try/, but that doesn't mean
> They give you the determination to see things through the hard times. To
>win at all costs. They also make you a nexus whixh other people will
>(unconsciously, or unknowingly) follow. With those kind of convictions and
>the determinaiton they bring one man can change the world.

My mate Rich is a revisionist historian and says that the guy Braveheart was
based on was just as willing to kill his own men as he was to kill the English.

Erm... are there any figures on what proportion of martyrdom stories are
over-simplifications, or have been embellished to heighten the martyrdom angle?

Dave Pape
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