Re: virus: Heaven's Gate Kooks
Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:18:26 -0400 (EDT)

>She turned 13 two days ago.

At 13 I wouldn't have liked it either. Certain things you come to
appreciate with time.

>Isn't perserverence the thing that brings you through hard times?

But if you were in prison aren't you then determined to get out,
determined to survive the experiance.

> You
>can be convinced (conviction past tense: convicted? Like _in prison_?
>hmmm) all you like of the truth of what you know or beleive and still
>not have the perserverence to bring it through. But then, I guess we
>were talking about _dying_ for your convictions, so the perserverence
>was assumed...

Conviction and perserverence are cousins to me, and I can use them the
same in certain situations, most actually.

>hmmmm. I've been studying Zen lately, and that "believe in yourself"
>thing just doesn't wash... I don't think it matters what you think of
>yourself. You can still die for what you beleive in.

If you don't believe that you have something worthwhile to give to the
cause, some part of your soul (ergo your soul has to be worth giving, has to
have value in your eyes alone) then you've died for nothing. Dying in a
cause and dying for a cause are two different things. The line between them
is so thin that most people don't see it, but it's there. The only
difference is how much of yourself you have commited to it, how much invested.

>> > I don't see any need to be so sure of
>> >yourself that you are willing to /die/ for your goals.

I didn't say that I'm currently willing to die for my present goals, only
that I'm capable of it. Or at least that's what I intended.

>Well then. May you die with honour.


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