virus: Re: virus-digest V2 #153

Ken Pantheists (
Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:47:10 +0000

I sent his in response to KMO's questioner.


You don't know me but KMO posted your note to him to our list, asking
some of us to respond as he is loaded with work.

you wrote:
I was searching the Net for the topic of memetics and came across your
homepage. I have a quick question concerning your depiction of
ideas/memes. I see that you are aware of memetics and I am sure you are
versed in the ideas of this science/philosophy.

KMO is a very well-read person, and a talented, if not contraversial

I understand that the science of memetics neither supports or destroys a
particular idea. The life of an idea is sustained first by its
into society (time and place is critical), and secondly, over time the
idea's ability to ultimately explain reality.

Actually, a meme's lifespan has everything to do with it's "acceptance"
( I read replication) in society but little to do with its ability to
explain reality. Take for example the prominence of the Flat Earth meme
for a long span of human history, and memes such as "Coke is it" which
explain nothing.

My question pertains to my surprised to find a ICON stating 'Support
on a webpage that supports such powerful ideas as memetics.
I understand your support of free speech on the Internet, however free
speak and SMUT are not synonymous. I would like to better understand
your thoughts on this subject to determine if I am seeing this
My initial impressions upon seeing the ICON was that this supports some
very corrupt memes which can easily be seen by the lives of the people
that industry.

Me: I am unaware of our participation in meme industry (except for maybe
as audiences of Advertising and Hollywood).

The short answer ot your question is simply this: The Icon is a
sarcastic statement.

As you can probably intuit, smut is a meaningless word if only because
it has as many definitions as there are people, classes, genders,
orientations, races, religions etc.

One could say bigomy is smutty, but it might be hard to call a Mormon
with two wives an agent of smut.

(or maybe it can be easy)

As you can see the smut icon refers indirectly the the multifaceted
rhetoric surrounding, not what you call "free speech", but what Clinton
called "decencey".

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