Re: virus: Re: heaven's gate kooks

Eric Boyd (
Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:43:57 -0500

John ''!Boolean'' Williams wrote:

> People justify the "Jesus is Lord of All Creation" through the Trinity;
> where each part is a manifestation of God.
> I don't see that as being a particularly hard concept to swollow, myself,
> symbolically speaking. But before I get in too deep, this is one of those
> things peripheral to my faith; it's not that big a deal with me, you know?
> I'm not, like, ready to die for that or something. :-)

I've never really liked the "holy trinity"... I don't recall Jesus ever
saying he was anything more than "the son of God"; and at that he was
always lothe to admit it. How many demons did he tell to "be quiet"
becuase he didn't want them to tell the people he was the son of God?
So where exactly people get off promoting Jesus to "Lord of all
Creation" is beyond me. He was a humble man, and didn't really want
anything more than the spread of "the love of God your father and your
neighbour". And his now invalid message "the time of the Kingdom of
Heaven is at hand"

> I just want to point out that in some Christian philosophies -- and I'm
> talking "not lay-philosophy" -- the Jesus as Creator statement could be
> well defended.

I'm going to go ask the Lutheran Church Pastor (where fundamental
doctrin #2 is "There is only one God, who has revealed Himself in three
persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit") about this... said:
> By who, and would Jesus himself defend the statement?

I would bet my /life/ on "no". Jesus was always pointing /to/ God, in
heaven. Never did he point to himself as creator. He was just a
messenger, sent to spread the word.