Re: virus: Social Metaphysics

Brett Lane Robertson (unameit@tctc.com)
Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:49:52 -0500


You are making the assumption that there is some underlying substrate of
perception
called "reality". It is, however, impossible to independently verify the
existence of
this supposed material outside of perception. (below)

List,

While it is true that one cannot *varify* reality without perception, one
can be an example of this reality without perceiving themself (one's
thoughts are objective). If one starts with the example that they
exist--even if they cannot varify this assumption--then being an aspect of
reality in the process of manifesting (without self awareness) is proof
enough that "there is some underlying substrate of perception": That is, I
*do* something, therefore I am.

Brett

At 08:52 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:12:07 -0600
>>From: David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com>

<snip>

>You are making the assumption that there is some underlying substrate of
>perception
>called "reality". It is, however, impossible to independently verify the
>existence of
>this supposed material outside of perception. "Reality" is derived from
>perception,
>not the reverse. If you like, the two are inextricably intertwined. While
>I am willing
>to call such a viewpoint "subjective" I'm not certian why you insist on
>equating
>"subjective" and "inconsistent". In fact, I'm not sure what you find so
>distasteful
>about "subjective".
>
>What is wrong with subjectivity, anyway?
>
>Reed

ps...what is wrong with subjectivity? It doesn't *do* anything but sit
there and look at itself.

BR

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