virus: Social Metaphysics

Reed Konsler (
Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400 (EDT)

>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:52:42 -0600
>From: David McFadzean <>

>I didn't mean to imply that. I believe that some parts of
>objective reality lie entirely outside of anyone's (or any
>observer's) perceptions, e.g. I think some stars probably
>exist outside the lightcone of any and all conscious observers.

Why? Doesn't that alter the common definiton of objective?
It seems to me you are now using definition:

1) Derived from the material and not the mental

earlier you described objective as

2) Identical for all observers using the same definition

In order to avoid inconsistency, you consider 2) to
be an effect of 1) and not the reverse, correct?


Reed Konsler