virus: SM

Reed Konsler (
Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:45:08 -0400 (EDT)

>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:49:52 -0500
>From: Brett Lane Robertson <>
>Subject: Re: virus: Social Metaphysics
>You are making the assumption that there is some underlying substrate of
>called "reality". It is, however, impossible to independently verify the
>existence of
>this supposed material outside of perception. (below)
>While it is true that one cannot *varify* reality without perception, one
>can be an example of this reality without perceiving themself (one's
>thoughts are objective). If one starts with the example that they
>exist--even if they cannot varify this assumption--then being an aspect of
>reality in the process of manifesting (without self awareness) is proof
>enough that "there is some underlying substrate of perception": That is, I
>*do* something, therefore I am.

I'm not certian how one can be aware of themselves as an example without
perceiving themselves. Is there a difference between awareness and

In what sense are thoughts objective? Thoughts are mental phenomena, and
thus usually held to be subjective experience. Can you divide thoughts into
subjective and objective categories?


Reed Konsler