RE: virus: Re: Social Metaphysics

David McFadzean (
Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:05:23 -0600

At 07:53 PM 9/30/97 -0700, Richard Brodie wrote:

>What if patterns are not inherent properties of reality, but rather labels
>we put on reality to approximate parts of it, thereby making it a

If reality has no properties whatsoever, then you would be right. Nothing
exists without mind and therefore mind creates physical reality.

So are you claiming that is true? If so, on what basis?

>No, I'm actually saying something that you're not understanding. I've tried
>several techniques to communicate to you and seem to have failed. It's
>frustrating, but in a way ironically amusing to find myself on the "other"
>side of this learning experience. My teachers were exasperated at how
>difficult it was for me to break out of my scientific/analytical/rational
>mindset, but they sensed my commitment and stuck with me. It's a very
>powerful level-2, and produces some extremely powerful level-3 players.

Well, I'm still here reading what you write...

>You could use the same smoke and mirrors to prove that true statements
>about ANYTHING aren't necessarily non-contradictory. So again, you haven't
>said anything about objective reality.

I'd like to know how you think you can say anything about objective reality
without using the same "smoke and mirrors" you dismiss. Either you have to
believe me or I shouldn't believe you.

>People change their faith every day. Just because a miracle would change
>yours doesn't mean you don't have any.

You can change your definition of "faith" every day but that doesn't mean
you're right in any sense of the word.

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Church of Virus