Re: virus:Logic

chardin (
Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:27:59 CST+6CDT

> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tim Rhodes <>
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> Subject: Re: virus:Logic
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> On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, chardin wrote:
> > I used to dismiss the Bible as just a dusy old book written by a
> > bunch of men with beards so I understand how you feel. Have you
> > ever examined the Bible closely?
> > The Bible is made of different books written by different
> > prophets, yet they all have a central idea: He who is coming.
> This is not a central idea of the Old Testament. Count the
> references. Even stretching it to the broadest interpretation, there
> are very few mentions of a Messiah and it is not a central theme of
> modern Judaism either. Why not, if it was such a "central" idea?
> > Those prophets, hundreds and up to a thousand year before he came
> > tells us that the promised Messiah to be sent by God would:
> Okay, crack out your concordance, because your wrong about MOST of
> these:
> > 1) be born in Bethleham
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though though be little among the
thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that
is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old,
from everlasting. Micah 5:2 (710 B.C.)

who else would be "from everlasting."

The child is out of Bethleham, but the son is from everlasting.

> > 2) be called a Nazerene

This one might be a little more difficult for me to give you the text
on - I'm working on it.

> > 3) meek in character he will ride into Jerusalem on the back of
> > an ass and be declared Messiah
Rejoice greatly, O duaghter of Zion; shout o daughter of Jerusalem:
behod, they King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation;
lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zechariah 9:9

But Jesus was not fooled by this. He knew that the same crowed who
yelled "Hail him! Hail him! would soon cry "Nail him! Nail Him!
Jesus was no doubt referring to this prophecy in conjunction with the
one in Daniel when he answered the Pharisees who were so upset that
Jesus was being declared Messiah. The palm leaves were spread and
the crowds were declaring it.

"Master, rebuke thy desciples. And he answered and said unto them,
'I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would
immediately cry out.'" Luke 19:39-40

(the book of Daniel tells you WHEN
> > he would ride in (a certain number of days after the going forth
> > of a decree to rebuild Jerusalem)--check it out in the secular
> > books - there are two decrees to rebuild Jerusalem--take either
> > one of them and you are brought to the time of Christ 4) he will
> > die but not for his own sins but for his people

(well, actually there were three decrees recorded)

Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the
commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the
Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks: the street
shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And
after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off but not for
himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy
the city and the sanctuary and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war descolations are determined. Dan.
9:25-26 (538 B.C.)

The "weeks" referred to here are periods of "seven" years (see Lev.
25:8 )
Artaxerxes gave his decree sometime between 454 and 444.

5) he is Mighty
> > God yet lowly, poor, despised and rejected (well, it confused the
> > Jews too--for a long time they thought there might be two
> > Messiahs--one as King of an Army another as spiritual leader) 6)
> > he will be rejected by his own people 7) he will be a light unto
> > the Gentiles (the light you ridicule constantly, Sodom)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his
name shall be calledl Wonderful, Counsellor, The might God, the
everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. Isa. 9:6

Behold, my servant shall deal prduently, he shall be exalted and
extolled, and be very high. As many were astonied at thee, his
visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the
sons of men: so shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut
their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they
see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. Who hath
believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed.
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out
of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall
see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is
despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with
grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and
we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem hims tricken, smitten of God and
afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised
for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peasce was upon him; and
with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid upon
the inquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet
he opened not his mouth: he is brough as a lamb to the slaughter, and
as a sheep before her sherers is dumb, so he iopeneth not his mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who sahll declare his
generation? For he was cut off out of the land of the living: for
the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his
grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had
done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it
pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou
shalt make his soul and offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he
shall prolong his days and the pleasure of the Lord shall proper in
his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many,
for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a
portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the
strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was
numbered with the transgressor and he bare the sin of many and made
intercession for the transgressors. ISA 52:15 ISA 53:1-12 (712 B.C.)

> Have you read the Bible? You missed the ONLY one that is actually
> IN the O.T.--that he would be born of King David's line (But so was
> a quarter of Israel at the time).
No, I am aware that this one is in there. Many, many more too:

And I said unto them, if ye think good, give me my price; and if not,
forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And
the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I
was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver and
cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. Zecharia 11:12,13
(BC 487)


> > All of this was predicted by JEWISH prophets up to at least a
> > thousand years before Jesus of Nazareth was born.
> Name them! I can only think of three and none of them are that
> specific.
I refer you to those above. But there are more--not to mention the
types of Christ that we are given.
> > Book of Daniel gives you an overview of the great world
> > governments--Babylonian, Persian, Greek & Roman. These are so
> > accurate, in fact, that many "scholars" say they must have been
> > written after the fact--prophets can't REALLY tell the future can
> > they?
> And Russian too. OOPS!!! The Soviet Union fell before Armageddon
> could happen. Well, we may just have to *re-interpret* that part
> again.
Armageddon is an interesting concept, isn't it? Funny that we are
told excactly where that will be --the Valley of Megeiddo in the
Hebrew tongue or Armageddon - Forgive me if I have misspelled
Megeiddo--I can't remember, but you can find it in the Book of the
Revelation of Jesus Christ.

> It is a myth, a story, a metaphor, an analogy. Try getting the gist
> of the message instead of just reading the words! It is what Jesus
> would suggest.
> > >
>Would Jesus say that? When he told the story of the rich man in
hell, (I believe it is in the Book of Luke) he told of how the rich
begged that someone would go back and warn his brothers. Jesus said
something to the effect of: they have Moses and the Prophets. If
they do not believe, neither would they believe though we sent
someone back from the dead." Just a myth? A fable? Perhaps I am
getting the gist of the message, Prof. Tim. Perhaps it is you who
are only "reading the words."