Re: virus: Pascal's wager

chardin (
Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:50:47 CST+6CDT

> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tim Rhodes <>
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> Subject: Re: virus: Pascal's wager
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> On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, chardin wrote:
> > Tim, I (haven't looked it up for exact quote) but I believe that
> > Peter was referring to a "Prophecy"--you know, one of those things
> > Brett took me to the woodshed for--but it was a prophecy stating
> > that
> > "Elijah" would come--before the great and terrible day of the
> > Lord. So there were all sort of rumors flying about. I
> > believe Jesus said that John the Baptist was, in a sense, Elijah,
> > "if you could receive" what he meant.
> Go look it up. (try Matthew, somewhere around chapter 9 or 10)
> You might read on afterward as well. Where in the next sentence
> Jesus tells Peter he is a "rock" for seeing him as he is, BUT not to
> tell anyone else who he is! (Christians kinda dropped the ball on
> that one, eh?)
Drop the ball? I don't understand what you are saying. I remember
he said "Thou art Peter and upon this Rock (i.e., the revelation that
Jesus is Christ) I will built my church.

Then he gets pissed off at Peter for being dense in
> the very next paragraph!!!
I took a look at Mat 9-10. I don't see what you mean. In the
scripture I'm referring to, he does get up set with Peter because
Peter tries to interfere with the work that must be done on the
cross. Our we talking past each other?

> While you're reading (funny that I've read more of your Bible for
> this debate than you, the Believer, has isn't it? Huh?!?) you might
> go on to Matthew 13:10-17 for Jesus' reasons why HE ALWAYS TAUGHT IN
> PARABLES! Do you read parables literally? You shouldn't. They are
> analogies, not to be taken word-for-word. That is how Jesus taught.
> To bad it is not how his followers learn!!! ("Like seeds on rocky
> ground")
It is true that Jesus teaches in parables--which is again,
fulfillment of prophecy--are you going to make me look up the quote?
But everything is not always a parable--I beg to differ with your use
of the word "always."

> > But I prattle on. Suffice it to say that I do not believe Jesus
> > believed in reincarnation from this scripture. Also, He said, "It
> > is appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgement."
> He also said, "The Lord is the lord of the living and not the dead."
> Jesus didn't really give a hoot about an afterlife. His ministry
> was always about life and *how to live it*, not about were you go
> after you die. (The "I go to prepare a house for you"? Check it
> out. It is a *PARABLE*!!! Even says so in the beginning!)

Yes, he is the Lord of the living and not the dead. "Whosoever
believeth in me shall never die."

What about his speaking to the thief on the cross: This day thou
shalt be with me in paradise. (oh, I'm speaking in parables to you
by the way oh boy, just to making your dying easier). I don't think
so. The rest of the scriptures just don't bear you out. Chardin

> -Prof. Tim