Re: virus: Logic and Level-3 together at last (was RE: The

Brett Lane Robertson (unameit@tctc.com)
Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:59:55 -0500


That is to say that while "beauty" may not be self evident, it is not all
encompassing--it has certain characteristics: (1) It must not be
destructive to the level 1 self, lest it result in a permanent level 2
dichotomy. (2) It must resolve a level 2 dissonance*. One other?!? (from
last post)

List,

I have labeled and illustrated 6 types of beauty and their relationship
within a level 3 mind map:

http://www.tctc.com/~unameit/handsome.gif

Interested?

Brett

At 02:06 PM 10/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I find the idea of Level-3 appealing. It promises a way to happiness and
>I want to be happy just as much as the next guy. It claims to be a level
>above and/or beyond Level-2 and I hate being left behind (has anyone ever
>questioned whether the sheer act of giving a level a higher number than
>another makes it better?). I was dismayed that my every attempt to get
>onto Level-3 while retaining rationality was blocked by Richard, the L3
>guru. Now he must validate my core needs, or say that only certain kinds
>of beauty are admissible. Your move, Richard. :-) (David Mc)
>
>List,
>
>Richard's level 3 and David's level 2 are related. That is to say that the
>beauty spoken about by the level 3 guru is none other than a resolution
>between competing level 2 needs in a way that is rewarding to the level 1,
>unified, "self".
>
>That is to say that level 1 is not better than the "higher" level 2, but L1
>is goal directed and therefore available for growth through finding
>"meaning" as those goals are met--is capable of development; while level 2
>is capable of stability and rest. Level 3 has the stability of level 2 with
>the self-enhancing qualities of the level 1 (though the issues which were
>dichotomized in the level 2 mind should be resolvable into a unique creation
>of "beauty"...not a given!).
>
>That is to say that while "beauty" may not be self evident, it is not all
>encompassing--it has certain characteristics: (1) It must not be
>destructive to the level 1 self, lest it result in a permanent level 2
>dichotomy. (2) It must resolve a level 2 dissonance*. One other?!?
>
>There is an aspect of level 3 which I haven't quite grasped. That is, like
>level 1, a level 3 is self confirming; but, if the goal of a level 1 is
>growth and development; but, what is the goal of level 3 behavior (besides
>the furthering of level 1 needs and the resolution of level 2 dissonance)?
>
>*example, if on level 2 the unified self is embodied within two paradigms so
>that individual needs conflict with social needs and two "selves" form a
>balance between these needs, then the level 3 resolution would be
>"beautiful" only if it combined satisfaction of self and satisfaction of
>society in such a way as to meet the needs of level 1 growth and development
>
>Brett
>
>Returning,
>rBERTS%n
>Rabble Sonnet Retort
>Ketterling's Law:
>Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence.
>
>
>

Returning,
rBERTS%n
Rabble Sonnet Retort
Ketterling's Law:
Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence.