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>From: "Wade T. Smith" <morbius@channel1.com>
>Subject: virus: Bequest
>
>>So the meme you are worried about is not anti-butchery, or
>>anti-communist, it is the [we-are-the-chosen-people] meme - [insert
>cult/country/religion]
>>are right, all others are by default, wrong. Thats the best thing about
being
>an
>>[insert cult/country/religion], you are always on the morally correct
side -
>YES!
>
>Yes?
>
>And, Bill, you _really_ should be living in Cambridge....
>
>;-)
>
>
> *****************
> Wade T. Smith
>morbius@channel1.com | "There ain't nothin' you
>wade_smith@harvard.edu | shouldn't do to a god."
>morbius@cyberwarped.com |
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:41:17 +0000
>From: "Joe E. Dees" <jdees0@students.uwf.edu>
>Subject: Re: virus: Bequest
>
>> Subject: virus: Bequest
>> Date: Thu, 21 May 98 18:11:35 -0400
>> From: "Wade T. Smith" <morbius@channel1.com>
>> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
>> Reply-to: virus@lucifer.com
>
>> >So the meme you are worried about is not anti-butchery, or
>> >anti-communist, it is the [we-are-the-chosen-people] meme - [insert
>> cult/country/religion]
>> >are right, all others are by default, wrong. Thats the best thing about
being
>> an
>> >[insert cult/country/religion], you are always on the morally correct
side -
>> YES!
>>
>> Yes?
>>
>> And, Bill, you _really_ should be living in Cambridge....
>>
>> ;-)
>> The nice thing about a "freedom meme" is its anti-dogmatic, almost
> scientfically non-judgmental, morally/ethically neutral character.
>It doesn't prescribe what you must do with your freedom or proscribe
>what you mustn't do with it (this is tautologically the nature of
>freedom, by definition), it merely states that each individual should
>have all freedoms that do not interfere with the same freedoms
>exercised by anyone else, and where the inevitable conflicts occur,
>they should be resolved by equal and proportional compromise. It
>wears no altruistic blinders, however; the reason it is embraced is
>the benefit it grants immediately to the individual, and only
>subsequently (and mediately) to the society. It is a formal meme,
>with negligible content, and is well suited to permeate the
>emergently self-conscious, recursive psyche, which is programmed to
>transcend its programming; in other words, programmed for freedom. I
>am not worried about the freedom meme - I LIKE it, and the
>evolutionarily creative diversity of thought and action it fosters.
>It tolerates everything - except intolerance, and makes everyone
>slaves - to their own free wills and choices (though it insists on
>personal responsibility for their consequences, which is fine with
>me). Like a free market and laissez-faire economics, it is a
>synthesis of existentialism and ethical egotism, and works best
>(though not perfectly, or even perfectibly - the nature of
>open-ended, recursive systems is to be Godelianly imperfect and
>incomplete) hand-in-glove with participatory democracy.
>>
>> *****************
>> Wade T. Smith
>> morbius@channel1.com | "There ain't nothin' you
>> wade_smith@harvard.edu | shouldn't do to a god."
>> morbius@cyberwarped.com |
>> ******* http://www.channel1.com/users/morbius/ *******
>>
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Corey Lindsly" <corey@phix.com>
>Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>
>> One does not have to be anticommunist or anti-most things (except
>> anti-butchery and anti-brutality) to be against the actions taken in
>> Tienanmen Square in 1989, and to continue to oppose the Chinese
>> leaders who ordered and continue to attempt to justify such actions.
>
>blah blah blah. it is the way of governments everywhere
>to act so as to perpetuate their own existence, and
>oppress their citizens. the leaders of the US, and
>every other country, do the exact same types of things
>to maintain their own power and the perpetuity of the
>existing order.
>
>> They have, however, already lost; when the next generation matures
>> into positions of power, it will be like the USSR all over again.
>> The Chinese youth have been irreversibly infected with the freedom
>> meme, and it will eventually prevail.
>
>all governments have "lost" insofar as each one is doomed
>to sooner or later crumble into dust and be replaced by
>a new one.
>
>- ---corey
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>Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:00:03 -0700
>From: Dan Plante <danp@CS347838-A.gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com>
>Subject: Re: virus: Nuke Meme (Hrom do tebe!)
>
>At 09:51 AM 5/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>Oh yea, it's heatin up, wonderful, proof that no matter how "enlightened"
we
>>become, it all comes down to feces throwing!! This gave me an idea, about
the
>>environment in mind that lets memes grow or fade. It seems to me that the
>mind,
>>a product of brain, has many influences that are internal - ie..
>neurochemical
>>balances, genetic tendencies etc... in which memes have to exist.
>
>Yes. As posted on Sat, 09 May 1998 14:16:32 -0700:
>
> Memes (bits of information, for lack of a short definition)
>do not contain nor manifest their own intentionality, and
>your memesphere (that is, the sum total of all the bits of
>information, and all the associations of bits of information,
>....and all the emergent patterns of associations of bits of
>information in your brain) is (at this level of analysis),
>functionally distinct from the biological function of the
>brain itself. The brain's intrinsic intelligence, tightly
>coupled with the operation of the limbic system, manifests
>its own emergent: cognition, or "thinking". The limbic system
>(acting as the MOTIVATOR, or "driving force") provides the
>primal urges and impulses, while intelligence (acting as the
>FACILITATOR, or "steering device") provides a mechanism to
>perceive patterns that enables associating things in the
>environment with the promise of satisfying the corresponding
>urges and drives (note that this also includes the urge or
>drive to avoid fear and pain, etc.). When the association and
>subsequent attainment is successful, the association is
>reinforced, when it is unsuccessful, it is weakened; but either
>way, the experience causes re-thinking or re-cognition
>(recognition) that serves to further develop the set of
>associations (meme-complexes) in the brain.
>
> This process, iterated countless trillions of times in ways large
>and small, gross and subtle, experiential and introspective, builds,
>over time, the size and complexity of the set of associations in the
>brain, and hence the depth in the level of abstractions therein.
>
> In essence, the limbic system is the motivator, the cortical
>structures are the facilitator, and the memesphere is the resulting
>set of (associations (of associations (of associations..of
>patterns))) received by the senses. These co-operate in synergy to
>produce the emergent property of individual awareness; i.e: the
>human mind.
>
> The symbolic representation of information (language) together
>with the vectors to reproduce it, or "communicate" (e.g.: speaking
>and listening, reading and writing), as well as a plurality of minds
>each able to recognize the benefits to itself, operate in synergy to
>produce the emergent property of "culture" or "memetics".
>
>>Any of you
>>that know me, know that i suspect that fear and reproduction are the most
>major
>>internal influences on mind (There are many others that play parts, but I
>>consider fear and sex to be the most primitive and powerful) I suspect
that
>>memes that use these basic environmental factors as building blocks or as
>>important parts of their makup, have a very high survival rate. I believe
>that
>>*religion* is a fear based meme, and is therefore very locked into mind. I
>>would also suspect that the opposite is somewhat true. I, who have
>dedicated a
>>great deal of personal effort to eliminating the concept of fear, perhaps
>have
>>an opposite problem. Memes that need fear to survive, don't do well in my
>>*mind*. This has at times caused me to be trusting when I should have been
>>weary, or perhaps I have chosen a more dangerous and less beneficial
>method of
>>accomplishing some goal due to my lack of *fear*.
>>
>>What do you guys think of the concept of "meme environment" in relation to
>>internal factors? Has this subject been broached before and I missed it?
>
>I may not have used enough example and analogy to trigger recognition,
based
>on the model you used in your own mind to represent the same abstract
concept.
>The models I host to represent concepts and ideas are Cartesian or
>"flow-chart"
>in nature, representing form and function, respectively, in patterns and
meta-
>patterns I have perceived. Yours seems to be more "organic" in nature, but
>also
>seems to amount to the same thing.
>Whatever works.
>
>>Sodom
>>Bill Roh
>
>Dan Plante
>- ------------------------------------------
> instincts --> input
> input + thinking --> data
> data + thinking --> information
> information + thinking --> knowledge
> knowledge + thinking --> understanding
>understanding + thinking --> wisdom
> wisdom + thinking -->
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