>Joe E. Dees wrote:
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>> > Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:02:23 -0400
>> > From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
>> > Organization: Tis Pootanis
>> > To: virus@lucifer.com
>> > Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>> > Reply-to: virus@lucifer.com
>>
>> > So what if he did? Describe why he should not in an objective fashion.
>> > Also, how is it a meme? Perhaps it is the anti-communist meme that we
>> > are discussing?
>> >
>> > Sodom
>> > Bill Roh
>> >
>> One does not have to be anticommunist or anti-most things (except
>> anti-butchery and anti-brutality) to be against the actions taken in
>> Tienanmen Square in 1989, and to continue to oppose the Chinese
>> leaders who ordered and continue to attempt to justify such actions.
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>I fail to see any significant differences in the way China treats its
>population and the way most countries treat their people. The US repeatedly
>and deliberately commits grave offenses against humanity without serious
>apology. The US incarcerates much more of its own population than China or
>any other country does for offenses of the same nature. There are 3/4 of a
>million people incarcerated for possession of small amounts of marijuana,
>the government of this country deliberately lets minorities die of disease
>so it can study its course, deliberately and secretly has irradiated parts
>of the population to see the effects, sells weapons to oppressive
>governments. Who is the worlds largest exporter of military weaponry? Shall
>we speak of the atrocities carried out by most of our allies too? C'mon, I
>am not suggesting that Tianamen square was not a tragedy, what I am
>suggesting is that human rights are not the issue if all the major
countries
>are guilty of serious and continuing violations.
> As for China, I too see them as a problem for democracy and capitalism
>(I am not a believer in democracy or capitalism but for this purpose will
>take it's side). I think that the world economy and the sheer weight of the
>population will eventually force China to reconsider it's political
>structure. I would hope that the people of China take freedom much more
>seriously than we have, as in this country, only white, christian males are
>free - all others face differing levels of state sponsored oppression.
> I would say that the best way to move China and other simialar
countries
>away from their oppressive styles is to cooperate as much as possible.
Bring
>as much culture, technology, science, as possible and use it to infect the
>Chinese people with our memes. Make it so that China cannot function alone
>without being unentangled from the rest of the capitalistic world.
> Also, lets face it, when it comes to butchery and brutality in this
>world, the US is the hands down winner. In the history of our country, We
>have obliterated 10s of millions of American natives, Carpet bombed whole
>populations, dropped the big bomb 2x (and what a pretty fireball i might
>add). Over half of our history included slavery, subjugation of women,
>genocide of the american native. It would take volumes and volumes to
>describe American butchery.
> So the meme you are worried about is not anti-butchery, or
>anti-communist, it is the nationalist meme - Americans are right, all
others
>are by default, wrong. Thats the best thing about being an American, you
are
>always on the morally correct side - YES!
>
>Sodom
>Bill Roh
>
>> They have, however, already lost; when the next generation matures
>> into positions of power, it will be like the USSR all over again.
>> The Chinese youth have been irreversibly infected with the freedom
>> meme, and it will eventually prevail.
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>> > Mark Robbins wrote:
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>> > > meme of the day :
>> > > Did Clinton sell technologies to China
>> > > See /hear
>> > > http://www.warroom.com/listen.html
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