RE: Question

Fri, 18 Aug 95 16:00:00 CDT

From: David McFadzean
Subject: RE: Question
Date: Friday, August 18, 1995 13:51PM

At 02:14 PM 8/18/95 CDT, you wrote:

God knows everything and he knows fear, but he is not afraid of it.

>>>>Is your logic limited to what you know? Or choose to know? Yes.

>>>No, science is logical but deals with the unknown. You don't have
>>>to give up logic in ignorance.

>>So you are saying you are ignorant.

>Yes, I am ignorant of many things. Are you implying that you know
>or that my ignorance of some things somehow disqualifies my knowledge?

No. It just makes your logic incomplete.

Does my belief in Christ as my Lord, and the fact that I have a personla
relationship with Him disqualify the fact that I have seen His healing
power, know His presence, and can comprehend creation, make my knowledge
illogical and worthless?

>>>Yes, I already have. A global flood is impossible. Stars are billions
>>of light years away. You just choose to dismiss what I say.

>>What fact have you shown me? You just keep saying the same things over,
>>I have given you a logical opposition...

>You must have a different definition of "fact". Please enlighten me.

Fine, laws, unrefutabel evidence, where is your logical evidence? Have you
answered the questions I sent you?

Fact: Something put forth as objectivly real; Something objectively
verified; Something with real, demonstrable existence; The quality of being
real or actual.


>Is this meant as an insult?

No. Just a word to ponder.

Is our knowledge really the truth? Who can define it? Who has the right?
Ourseves? Humanity? I believe the only arbitrator, Jesus Christ can define
truth since He is the beginning and the end, the "Alpha and Omega".

>>>I think the Devil in Christian faith represents logic and knowledge, the
>>>seeds of destruction of all faith.

>>Evolution is a faith. So now the Devil is the second law of

>Sure, by your definitions.

The Devil is a real being, and seeks to decieve, kill and destroy. Obviously
you don't understand the Christian faith, nor have you studied it from the

>>The Devil is as real as God is, and doesn't care if you believe he is real

>>or not, he will drag you to Hell anyway (if you let him).

>Evolution doesn't care whether you believe it or not.

Your right, if evolution were possible.

>>>Yes, I find it very frustrating that you pretend to have a conversation
>>>but ignore everything I say. I present evidence you ask for then you
>>>dismiss it without saying why or just ignore it.

>>What evidence have you shown? Who is dismissing who's idea's? Definately
>>you right? I have been studying your ideas, and they don't prove anything.

>>Could you please give me unrefutable evidence?

>Obviously all the evidence I've written about does not count as evidence
>to you. I'm not going to waste my time any more until you tell me what
>kind of evidence would convince you. Be explicit and detailed.

Factual evidence.

>>>I feel like I'm trying to play a game of chess with someone who refuses
>>>to follow the rules. Why limit yourself to 3-dimensional finite rules
>>>of chess?

>>Because chess is a three dimensional game made by three dimensional
>>or did it evolve by natural selection too?

>I think you missed the point. Having a conversation is like a game of

So that means you are trying to win does it not? I am not trying to win
anything, I am just trying to figure out how a person can believe in
evolution, or why they would want to.

My comment was a joke, to the irrelivancy of your metaphore.

>>>When you play by your own rules, you always win, right?


>Well think of the other person for a moment.

Not only do I think of you, but I pray for you to.

"... God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world
God's invisible qualities - his
eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been
made, so that men are without excuse." (Romans 1:19-20)

My quarrel is not with you, but with the Devil. To me reality has taken on a
whole new meaning, I could no sooner deny the existance of God than I could
deny the existance of my sisters. My life is in His hands, and I know, that
I am not missing out on anything. I have never been happier, or more
satisfied in my life. Most religious people are still searching for what I
have found, it fills their pallette for a little while, but then they are
empty again. Just like you, have made evolution, humanism, and atheism your
faith, claiming it as logical and the only rational solution. I do the same
with my faith, but mine is based on experience, prayer and a loving God.
There will come a time when all will be brought before the judgement seat of
the Father, and at that moment all will be held accountable for what they
have done.

Set evolution and creation aside. Look at the prophesies of the Bible that
have come true and are coming true, the end is drawing nearer.

Set the prophesies aside. Look at the love that God has for you. Look at the
truths that have existed long before science. He is real, and evident, and

I refuse to continue this conversation with you, unless you will stop trying
to win, and take this opportunity to learn. I know I began the conversation,
so now I will end it, if you want it to...

Take care,
In Him,

I know you won't listen to a word I say, but I
challenge you to listen to God, and to your heart.