virus: Re: Your pages...

David McFadzean (
Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:43:00 -0600


>I investigated The Curch of Virus homepage, here are some of my comments!
>The look is nice by the way!

Thank you.

>>In many religions, "Salvation" is the bait, or promised reward
> What is "Salvation"?

As far as I can tell, salvation is the act of saving someone from
eternal damnation.

>>Common meme-allergies include homophobia, paranoid anti-Communism, and
>porno phobia.
>Are you sure it is a phobia (which means psychologically induced) or a
>inbred bit of morals (In the soul)

I don't think they are clinical phobias if that is what you mean.

>I happen to be in the United States Air Force, that means I am military
>personel. I assure you that my survival is consequential in the sense that
>you think it is not. But I would gladly give my life for my country, my God,
>or any individual if need be.

If you would gladly lay down your life for your country, your God or
any individual, then your life is clearly not consequential in the sense
I meant.

>>Any of several currently-epidemic memes which predict catastrophic events
>for the year 2000, including >the battle of Armageddon, the Rapture, the
>thousand-year reign of Jesus, etc.
>Who thinks that all this will take place in the year 2000? It could happen
>in ten minutes or a hundred years from now, could it not?

There are over 900 millenial groups in the US alone according to a guy
that collects information on them. I guess it could happen any time, but
there are thousands (if not millions) of people who think it will happen
in the year 2000.

>>An infection strategy in which a meme attempts to imitate the semiotics of
>another successful meme. >Such as: pseudo-science (Creationism, UFOlogy);
>pseudo-rebelliousness (Heavy Metal); subversion >by forgery (Situationist
>detournement). (GMG)
>What does Creationism try to mimic? It has been around the longest, so who
>is copying who?

True, I think it should read "creation science", not "creationism".

>>Since schemes compete for finite belief-space, tolerance is not necessarily
>a virtue, but it has >co-evolved in the ideosphere in much the same way as
>co-operation has evolved in biological >ecosystems.
>Tell me where massive cooperation exists in our world. Have you seen a
>rabbit walk up to a tiger and say "Eat me if your hungry, I wouldn't want
>you to starve". Or seen a dog not tell another dog "Get away from my woman?"

Surely you have seen the video footage of the little birds that find food
in the crocodile's mouth? There are literally thousands of similar documented
cases of symbiosis in nature.

>>Conservatism: automatically resist all new memes.
>Yes it is, resist until it is proven to be useful and true. Then gladly
>accept it.


>>The doctrine that there is no God. Atheists believe that there is
>insufficient evidence for God
>>and/or that the concept of God is incoherent so its existence is logically
>So were trapped in three dimensions are we? Can we not even broaden our
>horizons? If everything were logical (assuming God didn't exist) this world
>would be boring! God exists, he is REAL and can be TANGIBLE. He needs not
>conform to humanities little box. Besides, it is very possible. Especially
>since we have so much evidence to prove HIS existance.

I didn't say anything about being trapped in 3 dimensions or not broadening
our horizons. Both concepts are independent of God.

Why do you believe a Godless world be logical or boring? I don't see
the connection.

Your assertions that god is real and tangible are just that, assertions,
not arguments. I haven't come across any credible evidence for his existence,
but if you could provide some I will certainly be open minded.

>>The doctrine that the existence of God is unknown and probably unknowable.
>Look in the Bible, he wants to know you, and he desires to reveal himself to
>you. The existence of God is known! I know him!

I have looked in the bible. It is a very interesting historical document, but
obviously written by ancient humans. It is very similar to thy holy books of
other religions, have you looked at those?

>>1. The branch of semiotics dealing with the study of meaning.
>What is the meaning of life? Or do you get to play Noah Webster and define
>it for all of us less intelligent people?

I believe the meaning of a given life is the effect that life has on
the world, other lives, reality in general. I'm not trying to force my
definition on anyone, if someone else finds it useful, that would be

>>A collection of causally related objects. All systems (except perhaps the
>universe) are part of a
>>supersystem. All systems (except perhaps quarks) are composed of
>So what binds the atoms together? We have no clue do we? Please don't tell
>me quarks just happened...

Atoms are bound together by the strong and weak forces. We do have a clue,
but probably not the final answer. Scientists would like to know where those
forces come from. "God" is one answer, but not a very good one because it
doesn't explain anything and raises more questions that it tries to answer.

>>Accurate with respect to objective reality. Since accuracy is not a
>discrete attribute, truth is
>>necessarily a fuzzy concept.
>Truth is defined by God. Just as you or I am.

So truth is whatever God thinks? Do you believe God can change the past?
Hint: modern Christian apologists have discovered that this is a very
dangerous path to take.

>>To understand a system is to possess a conceptual model that can be used to
>accurately predict
>>the behaviour of the system. A deep understanding entails understanding the
>components of the
>The Word of God has all the answers...

What is the answer to this: who created God?

>>What is going on?
>>Evolution on all scales.
>Is evolution still taking place biologically?

Yes, it is a continuous process though the results are not.

>>What does it all mean?
>>Things mean what they cause, i.e. the meaning is in the effects.
>The Bible says, to every action, there is a reaction. God knew that before
>science did. Wow...

Not surprising since God knows everything, right?

>>Why am I here?
>God wants you here for a reason, ask HIM and find out!!!

I did but he didn't answer.

>>What should I do?
>Ask God to forgive you for doing wrong, admit you've done wrong, and then
>say ypu accept the forgiveness that only Christs death could attone for!
>Then get to know him better.

I will as soon as I think he exists.

>>Create a meaningful life by influencing the world around you.
>The only meaningful life is one in Christ. Why? The bible says, naked I came
>from my mothers womb, naked I will return...

What about all the people that lived before Christ?

>I would appreciate a response!

I appreciate your criticism. I would like permission to post your message
and my response to the Virus mailing list.


David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Merak Projects Ltd.