RE: virus: Re: Virus List Terminology

Brett Lane Robertson (
Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:14:41 -0500

> So is Level 3 specific goal seeking or adaptable paradigms?

> And, what is the repines of Level 3 to a iterated prisoner's dilemma?

I don't know what this means.

Richard Brodie

I don't understand either but then I don't claim to be level 3--I don't even
believe it exists...I see a level one ("goal seeking") and a dilemma (my
goal or your goal) which is resolved again at a level 1 (my goal IS your
goal). Thus I'm interpreting the qeustion to say "How can living within a
delimma (flipping between paradigms) be resolved if there is doubt as to
whether I am using the same paradigm as you are (the "prisoner's dilemma"
which I'm assuming implies that two liers are trying to base their decision
on what the other would do).

An actual level 3 (were it to exist naturally) would make a decision and go
against himself, lieing to himself so as to believe that the action
performed in opposition to the original decision was, in fact, the original
decision; would lie to himself about lying to himself (and then would act in
opposition to this supplanted original ...performing the original "truthful"
decision...lying about lying about lying--level 3. Which is to say that a
level 3 performs goal seeking behavior (the original level one decision) but
must enforce a negative self-image to do so (lying becomes the prime
motivator for performing the truthful action).


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anyone, ever.