virus: The evil machine!

Nathaniel Hall (
Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:50:49 -0600

Sodom wrote:

> Nathaniel Hall wrote:
> >
> > Sodom wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > KMO wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > And
> > > > > yeah, a choice between Al Gore, Jack Kemp, and Ross Perot ain't no
> > > > > choice at all.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Just a little note about Al Gore, I have never met the man, but I
> > > have a close and honest relative who went to College with the man at
> > > Harvard. From what I hear, Al Gore is exceptionally honest, hard working
> > > and intelligent. He may not be much fun at parties, but he is supposed
> > > to be a real good guy. My feelings are that Clinton put Al in the
> > > position he is in now, and if it weren't for that, Al's record would be
> > > spottless.
> > > frightens me because he puts security for mental midgets above freedom
> > > of speech - something I am sure most people here value quite a bit. If
> > > Al would lay off of the encryption - censorship stuff, I would vote for
> > > him in a second.
> > >
> > > Sodom
> >
> > Did you know in his book "Earth in the Balance" he accuses the automobile
> > as being one of the most evil things mankind has ever invented? Next time
> > you find yourself stranded somewhere because you have no means of
> > transportation think of that and then think of Al Gore. He claims the
> > greenhouse effect as an unquestionable given and labels as rotten anyone who
> > says otherwise, but has the ocean level risen by any measurable amount?
> > Think of that when you have to pay twice as much for the necessities of life
> > because he has implemented his "chicken little" belief into law! You hate
> > his assault on free speech and encryption and yet you still harbor support
> > for this man? Its like saying "I would like to have a dog if only it acted
> > like a cat!"
> > The Nateman
> No I did not read the book, but I do believe that the automobile is
> about the worst thing ever invented. I must admit that I am an avid
> technologist, and support technilogical advancement at almost any cost;
> However, you must admit, that we have reached a level of technology
> where we could eliminate the need for fosile fuels.

It will happen on it's own. We shall start running out of fuel at one point soon.
What will happen? The price will go up and alternatives will become economically
viable. Until then a lot of money, time , and effort is tied up in our fossil
machines. Let the market do its work. It's amazing the kind of order it can
spontaneously produce.

> We have the
> technology and power to use dozens of other sources for fuel. Don't you
> believe it is foolish to rely on a limited resource to such a point that
> if it went away all of a sudden the worlds economy would collapse over
> night?

It would be foolish, but it won't go away overnight: It's price will just go up
and up and up until something cheaper is found.

> Every light in every American house would go out because the
> military would take all the nuclear power in our "best interests"?

Your nightmare scenario can only happen if the market is not allowed to work

> Come-on Nateman, you can see trends as well as anyone. You know the
> potential for damage to the environment from pollution. I am not at all
> convinced that fossile fuels are responsible for the slight warming we
> have noticed, I am not sure it isn't a natural trend. I am sure that I
> don't like the way L.A. looks when I drive there. I know that the
> pollution in rivers and streams in Michigan is due to the auto industry.
> Have you driven through Phoenix, NY, Chicago, and seen the devestation?

First of all I should like to point out that in the socialist countries the
devastation from pollution has in fact been much worse. (Al Gore is a socialist)
Second of all consider this: Poverty kills. Check it out, rich people live longer,
I know this isn't much of a surprise. All that pollution is here as the result of
the creation of wealth. People are living longer than they ever have before
because of the wealth that things like the automobile have made possible. Wealth
that translates into longer and fuller lives despite the pollution. Pollution
control is an expensive business: it is only in the rich countries that effective
measures can afford to be taken. Before you condemn the automobile as a life taker
think of all the wealth it has made possible and how many lives have been
lengthened and improved by it. Its really a life extender! You probably use a car
yourself to go to work: An example of wealth creation. Would you want to give up
your car? I know at least I would not!

> I worked for a short time in the auto industry grinding cam shafts and I
> can tell you that these people are losers. Most can't read at all, few
> have teeth and there are serious health hazards everywhere.

Such losers would have died young is poorer times: At least now they can live long
enough to loose all there teeth. (Probably too lazy to brush: it's cheap enough
for even an extremely poor person to afford)

> I flourished
> there since I have a college education and was a Network Admin before
> going there, so I got the cool CNC (computer numeric controlled)
> grinders and could properly use the safety equipment. Of course, when my
> skin started turning gray/green I quit.

The power of the market. The paycheck was not worth the personnel cost so you
moved on.

> The oceans will rise, probably due to the ice age we are still getting
> out of, and not because of pollution.

I'm sure the chicken little types will preach that the sky is falling anyway.

> Al may be many things, but I don't
> think his honesty is in question. I cannot think of another politican
> that I could somewhat trust.

I would have given you that point in the past but Al's beginning to look like
he's just another typical politician.

> Sodom

The Nateman : I've seen AlGore for what he is and want nothing to do with him!